Wednesday, August 31, 2005


Although I'm not sure it will show up publicly, I have just deleted 8 comments from my last post -- all spam. Can't help wishing these people would get a life. Now we all have to deal with Word Verification, meaning, if you want to post a comment, you have to type in a squirrelly-looking word that says you are a real live human being, not a half-life whose only purpose is to sell penis enlargement to women, or something equally dim-witted.

That said, I feel I must comment on something rather unpleasant that has occurred on the OrthWomen's list. I'm referring, of course, to the current flap over feminism. I won't go into the history of the flap, since I think you are all on OrthWomen anyway, but what was interesting to me was the reaction not only on the list, but among the moderators. This topic caused passions, misunderstandings, recriminations, sleeplessness -- and one moderator resigned from that position, though still a member of the list. (Me.) To me, that says everything that needs to be said on the subject of feminism. It always was a hot button, it remains a hot button, as far as I can see it's entire raison d'etre is to push buttons -- this is not any kind of appropriate topic for Orthodox discussion.

And I am still mightily annoyed with the original OrthWomen's member who felt compelled to push this agenda onto the list. Go feel Empowered someplace else, willya?


Elizabeth said...

Hi Meg.
I sympathise.
I used to be a rabid feminist, but gradually my views have matured and changed somewhat.

I now equally firmly believe that men and women have complementary but different roles in society and life.
I am happier and calmer as a result and no longer feel I have to "prove" myself to myself, or to the world.

Sorry to hear you have been embroiled in conflict; I know how stressful and upsetting it can be.

Mimi said...

Ugh. I'm sorry that you felt the need to resign.

Other than that, basically Elizabeth said everything I wanted to say, so I'll just say "yeah, what she said"

Sending you hugs, Baba Meg!

(on another note, for some reason, I am terrible at typing squiggly words)

Philippa said...

Oh Meg :o( I am sorry you felt the need to resign as Moderator. Thought I am happy you've remained on the list. :o)

I've never been a woman who pressed the feminist agenda to extreme that it has been pushed. Though I do believe in equal pay for equal work and that all person's have the right to vote. Those issues were part of the agenda long ago, but the agenda has gotten skewed horribly.

Hang in there Baba Meg. Luv ya!

Meg said...

I guess a large part of it for me is that I question the *hard line* of equal pay for equal work. Originally, men were paid more because they had families to support. Nowadays, you aren't even allowed to ask that question of job applicants, and I think it's mammothly unfair that a female boss can go swanning around in her Mercedes sports car, while her male underling is struggling to put food on the table, and the mother of his children has to go out to work just to make ends meet. (That's not hypothetical, either.)

I came *this close* to unsubbing from the list, too -- there are two moderators I've never been able to stomach, and working with them has been difficult. Now that this whole thing has erupted, it's become impossible, at least with one of them.

Say prayers for Elizabeth Riggs, guys, will you? She doesn't deserve this. Thanks!

Mimi said...

I will, of course, keep Elizabeth in my prayers.

Elizabeth said...

Thanks - I can use all the prayers people raise for me!

Elizabeth R